4-SAE 5149B & 5149 C - MSY Update.docx

SASIntemationalG-12TTrainingandQualityProgramsCommitteeARP5149TrainingProgramGuidelinesforDeicingZAnti-IcingofAircraftonGroundRev.B一BallotUpdate&CommentsRev.C一ProposedUpdatesSAEG-12TTraining&QualityProgramsCommitteeNewOrleans,LA,USAMay15thj2013Presentedby:ChrisSchockDocumentSponsorSAEARP5149ARP5149BBallotUpdate&CommentsProposedDraftcompletedandsubmittedfor28DayCommitteeBallot:-3APR1328-DayCommitteeBallotcompleted:-28APR13Summaryofresults:BallotResultsApproveDisapproveWaiveParticipation230023/3369.7%0%0%697%ChallengeswerefacedduringtheBallotprocess,assomeindividualswhomthoughttheywereeligibleVotingMemberswerenotlistedassuchand/orwereonlyLiaisons/MailingListRecipients.-Forsome,thishasbeencorrectedalready.-ForQualificationandConditionofVotingMembership3refertoSection4.2.3ofAEROSPACECOUNCILoftheSAETechnicalStandardsBoardOrganizationandOperatingProcedures.-Ifyouwishtoconfirmyourstatusorrequestachangeinyourstatus,pleasecontact:CommitteeCo-Chairpersons:-BrianAnderson(brian.andersonkilA)_OliverArtz(OIiVer.arztomac-gmbh.de)AlthoughnoDisapprovalsorWaives,thereweresomeInformationalandTechnicalComments:-Somecommentspertainedtoerrorsnotedinpre-existingcontentthatwasnotpartoftherevision.-SomecommentspertainedtoerrorsnotedinnewandrequestforsomeeditorialmodificationtonewadditionsforRev.B.-Somecommentsmaderequestingfurtherclarificationorareasthatmayneedtobemoredescriptive.-Somenewcommentsmadethatwerenotpreviouslyraisedduringcommitteemeetings,andmaybeopenfordiscussion. SomepertaintoRev.Badditions. SomemaybeconsideredforRev.C5andcanbebroughtupduringfuturemeetings/discussion. RequirementswithinARP5149shouldalignwithARP4737.ARP5149BBallotUpdate&CommentsSUmmaryOfKeyInfOnTIatiOnalandTeChniCalCommerits:CommentsmadeaboutAppendixDDiagrams:一RequestregardingAsteriskindicating''applicationonPICRequest”pointingtoWinqIetSandVertiCalStabiIiZer/RuddednAnti-icingdiagramsberemoved,explainingthatapplicationontheseareasshouldbemandatory.一ThiswascarriedouttoalignwiththerequirementsmentionedinARP5149.Section10.8.4specifiestheanti-icingfluidapplicationstrategy:.Surfacestobeprotectedinclude:a.Winguppersurfaceandleadingedgesc.Verticalstabilizerandrudder-Thisbeingsaid,ARP4737makesnomentionofthisrequirement.ThisisspecifiedhowevertothesameeffectintheAEARecommendations3.9.2.4;AEATrainingRecommendations7.3.1;ISO1107610.3.4;andSIAGDP1.4.1.一Changewasincorporatedandmadepriortoballot.一Anothercommentmadedisagreedwiththischange.SUmmaryOfKeyInfonTIationalandTeChniCalComments:CommentsmadeaboutAppendixDDiagrams:一TwoseparatecommentsrequestingAsteriskindicating''applicationonPICRequest"pointingtoFuselageinAnti-icingdiagramsberemoved. Oneexplainedthatthatapplicationontheseareasshouldbemandatoryduringactiveprecip,andnotlefttotherequestofthePIC. Anotherexplained,simplyput,forclarity,asthisnoteisfromoperationalperspectiveandthefiguresintheannexaremeanttogivewhereyoucancan,tsprayfluids.-Donotbelievesomeindividualsmayagreewiththeserecommendations.Numerousincidenceshaveoccurredonvariousa/ctypes,whereanti-icingfluidwasinadvertentlyappliedtothefuselageorappliedontherequestofthePIC.Insomeofthesecases,therootcausewastheA/Cwasnotconfiguredproperlytoconductoperation/takeoffwiththickenedanti-icingfluidonthefuselage,causingairborneincidences.SUmmaryOfKeyInfonTIationalandTeChniCalComments:CommentsmadeaboutAppendixDDiagrams:FuselageAnti-icing(continued)一DiagramsalignwiththerequirementsmentionedinARP5149.Section10.8.4,whichspecifiestheanti-icingfluidapplicationstrategy:.Surfacestobeprotectedinclude:d.Fuselageuppersurfaces(especiallyonaircraftwithcenter-mountedengines),dependingonamountandtypeofprecipitation.一Inordertodetermineapplicability,thePICshouldbeconsultedwithtodetermineiftheFuselagerequiresanti-icingdependentontheobserved/activeandimminentconditions,andapprovethistreatment.A/Cmustbeconfiguredaccordinglyinthiscase.PICthusmusturequesthistreatment一ThisrequirementmayvarybyA/Ctype.一ThisrequirementmayvarybyAirCarriersRegulatoryapprovedprograms.一Topreventanyconfusion,recommendthisremainsunchanged.ARP5149BProposedRevisionsNeWSamPIeAntiicinqDiaqramAIRBUSA350An4ckto wWAnti-icingFluidApplicationAreasAti4clngFluidNon*ApplicationAreasNoDirectApplicationofDiclngAnti*icingFluklAllowedFusolageAnti-icingApplicationonPICRoquostSUmmaryOfKeyInfOnTIationalandTeChniCalComments:CommentsmadeaboutAppendixDDiagrams:一AnAirCarriermemberrequestedtheadditionoftheCold-SoakedFuelFrostdefinedareaonwingtopsbeaddedspecificallytotheB737diagram.Cold-SoakedFrostArea一Donotnecessarilyagreewiththisrecommendationforthefollowingreasons:,Themanufacturersservicebulletinappliestospecificseries,butnotallseriesofthisac,andasthediagramisgeneric,representingallseriesofthisa/ctype.Inordertooperateandapplythisbulletin,regulatoryauthorityexemptionstonationalaviationregulationsmayneedtoapply.Notall